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	<title>Comments on: Redarded Office UI</title>
	<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/</link>
	<description>Notes From A Strange Place</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-48970</link>
		<author>Kim</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 02:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-48970</guid>
		<description>And there is what some alternative? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And there is what some alternative? <img src='http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7756</link>
		<author>Andy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 23:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7756</guid>
		<description>Nia: It's the combination thing that's the problem. Two taskbar buttons suggests two separate windows - i.e. you should be able to close  one window using the X on the window bar, without it closing the other.

What browser are you using Nia? I've pushed the new blog layout without much testing, since I really wanted to upgrade Wordpress when I had the chance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nia: It&#8217;s the combination thing that&#8217;s the problem. Two taskbar buttons suggests two separate windows - i.e. you should be able to close  one window using the X on the window bar, without it closing the other.</p>
<p>What browser are you using Nia? I&#8217;ve pushed the new blog layout without much testing, since I really wanted to upgrade Wordpress when I had the chance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nia</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7754</link>
		<author>Nia</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7754</guid>
		<description>What's wrong with using the 'nearly in the top right hand corner' x?  That only closes one excel document?  Or is it the combination of 2 taskbar buttons with the 'not quite top right hand' corner button?  Excel is the only MS product I use regularly so I guess I find it 'normal' for that reason.

Oh yeah, and I'm having similar textbox issues to MA, only my window is on full screen already so I am typing blind for half of it.  I make no apoligies for typos! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s wrong with using the &#8216;nearly in the top right hand corner&#8217; x?  That only closes one excel document?  Or is it the combination of 2 taskbar buttons with the &#8216;not quite top right hand&#8217; corner button?  Excel is the only MS product I use regularly so I guess I find it &#8216;normal&#8217; for that reason.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and I&#8217;m having similar textbox issues to MA, only my window is on full screen already so I am typing blind for half of it.  I make no apoligies for typos! <img src='http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa Arif</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7737</link>
		<author>Mustafa Arif</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7737</guid>
		<description>I don't understand Office 2003. Try Office 2004 on a Mac. The interface is reasonably good - and consistently MDI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand Office 2003. Try Office 2004 on a Mac. The interface is reasonably good - and consistently MDI.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7703</link>
		<author>Andy</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 11:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7703</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the background Mustafa. I skipped from Office 97 to Office 2003 - I gave up on Microsoft years ago, but now that I'm working in a Microsoft-dominated environment I have to put up with it again.

As for the CSS, I hadn't noticed that before (and it's not Safari-specific). I'll try to sort that out. Mental note: I really do need to upgrade my Wordpress install...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the background Mustafa. I skipped from Office 97 to Office 2003 - I gave up on Microsoft years ago, but now that I&#8217;m working in a Microsoft-dominated environment I have to put up with it again.</p>
<p>As for the CSS, I hadn&#8217;t noticed that before (and it&#8217;s not Safari-specific). I&#8217;ll try to sort that out. Mental note: I really do need to upgrade my Wordpress install&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Richards</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7700</link>
		<author>Sam Richards</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7700</guid>
		<description>Thanks for making that clear, I thought I was the one accidentally closing both Excel workbooks at once when I have done it. I would never have believed that would be Excel's behaviour with SDI!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for making that clear, I thought I was the one accidentally closing both Excel workbooks at once when I have done it. I would never have believed that would be Excel&#8217;s behaviour with SDI!</p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa Arif</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7685</link>
		<author>Mustafa Arif</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2005/12/02/redarded-office-ui/#comment-7685</guid>
		<description>MS Office used to be consistent, MDI, (i.e. the way Visio works) until Office 2000. At that point they decided to make Word SDI because too many novice users were unable to understand MDI (or rather the Windows interface makes MDI un-intuitive. This would have been 'okay' (given that the Windows interface guidelines suggest applications can be SDI or MDI) except for the fact that the messed around with Excel.

A better solution would have been for Microsoft to revise the Windows interface guidelines so that all apps should be MDI - and adjust the interface accordingly to make it intuitive. I've not seen Vista but hopefully it will improve on this.

But whilst we're talking about bad interface design, I don't like this text box (or how it appears in Safari). The CSS menu to the right overlaps this text box and there is no horiz scroll so I had to widen my window to type this in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MS Office used to be consistent, MDI, (i.e. the way Visio works) until Office 2000. At that point they decided to make Word SDI because too many novice users were unable to understand MDI (or rather the Windows interface makes MDI un-intuitive. This would have been &#8216;okay&#8217; (given that the Windows interface guidelines suggest applications can be SDI or MDI) except for the fact that the messed around with Excel.</p>
<p>A better solution would have been for Microsoft to revise the Windows interface guidelines so that all apps should be MDI - and adjust the interface accordingly to make it intuitive. I&#8217;ve not seen Vista but hopefully it will improve on this.</p>
<p>But whilst we&#8217;re talking about bad interface design, I don&#8217;t like this text box (or how it appears in Safari). The CSS menu to the right overlaps this text box and there is no horiz scroll so I had to widen my window to type this in&#8230;</p>
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