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	<title>Comments on: OpenStreetMap Cycle Map</title>
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	<description>Notes From A Strange Place</description>
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		<title>By: Shaun McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2007/07/31/openstreetmap-cycle-map/comment-page-1/#comment-22468</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For linking you can just click the view button on the openstreetmap home page, or on some other mapping site, click &quot;peralink&quot; to get the link for current location of the map.

The difficulty to control when you have a shaky hand is a very good reason to go for an old style static map. This would help accessibility of the map to disabled people.

Current browsers should be able to print the slippy map. (I was doing this recently well).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For linking you can just click the view button on the openstreetmap home page, or on some other mapping site, click &#8220;peralink&#8221; to get the link for current location of the map.</p>
<p>The difficulty to control when you have a shaky hand is a very good reason to go for an old style static map. This would help accessibility of the map to disabled people.</p>
<p>Current browsers should be able to print the slippy map. (I was doing this recently well).</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2007/07/31/openstreetmap-cycle-map/comment-page-1/#comment-22434</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, the fan still runs much more when using the JS interface and &quot;slippy&quot; map interfaces are very difficult to control when one&#039;s hand shakes, as well as harder to link and print.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, the fan still runs much more when using the JS interface and &#8220;slippy&#8221; map interfaces are very difficult to control when one&#8217;s hand shakes, as well as harder to link and print.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2007/07/31/openstreetmap-cycle-map/comment-page-1/#comment-22419</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 16:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The javascript interface is much better, its quite lightweight, no security issue. Surely NoScript can allow some sites to use JS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The javascript interface is much better, its quite lightweight, no security issue. Surely NoScript can allow some sites to use JS?</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2007/07/31/openstreetmap-cycle-map/comment-page-1/#comment-22410</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That tile map browser is blooming excellent! I think a click-to-zoom would make it easier to use, but that&#039;s minor.

Now, I&#039;m green about OSM. What&#039;s the quickest way to get your cycle data onto it?  What&#039;s the quickest way to contribute more roads and routes to the map? (I have no GPS just now.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That tile map browser is blooming excellent! I think a click-to-zoom would make it easier to use, but that&#8217;s minor.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m green about OSM. What&#8217;s the quickest way to get your cycle data onto it?  What&#8217;s the quickest way to contribute more roads and routes to the map? (I have no GPS just now.)</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2007/07/31/openstreetmap-cycle-map/comment-page-1/#comment-22409</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 12:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More and more people are using add-ons like NoScript for Firefox to disable most Javascript because it makes the browser a little more secure, a bit less power-hungry (and we all want to run the fans less and reduce electricity use, don&#039;t we?) and much less annoying on some sites.

It&#039;d also be good to be able to generate fixed images to print easily in ride guides and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More and more people are using add-ons like NoScript for Firefox to disable most Javascript because it makes the browser a little more secure, a bit less power-hungry (and we all want to run the fans less and reduce electricity use, don&#8217;t we?) and much less annoying on some sites.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d also be good to be able to generate fixed images to print easily in ride guides and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2007/07/31/openstreetmap-cycle-map/comment-page-1/#comment-22390</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 23:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a non-js map at http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/ however it isn&#039;t available for the cycle map specifically. The only modern browsers that I know that don&#039;t support javascript/OSM maps are those on mobile devices. Or maybe I&#039;m wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a non-js map at <a href="http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/" rel="nofollow">http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Browse/</a> however it isn&#8217;t available for the cycle map specifically. The only modern browsers that I know that don&#8217;t support javascript/OSM maps are those on mobile devices. Or maybe I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2007/07/31/openstreetmap-cycle-map/comment-page-1/#comment-22379</link>
		<dc:creator>MJ Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please can there be a non-Javascript version of this map?  The Sustrans map is useful on Any Browser, at least.  Then there&#039;d be some incentive for me to start cataloguing the roads and routes around here (OSM has almost none, not even all A- and B-roads in the nearest town).

Also, a map key would be helpful (or making it more obvious if there is one).

Thanks, MJR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please can there be a non-Javascript version of this map?  The Sustrans map is useful on Any Browser, at least.  Then there&#8217;d be some incentive for me to start cataloguing the roads and routes around here (OSM has almost none, not even all A- and B-roads in the nearest town).</p>
<p>Also, a map key would be helpful (or making it more obvious if there is one).</p>
<p>Thanks, MJR</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2007/07/31/openstreetmap-cycle-map/comment-page-1/#comment-21649</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new rendering for the regional routes is looking good. However, some of the regional routes in Kent are fairly lengthy. I think that perhaps they ought to show up one or two zoom levels further out than they currently do. Also, perhaps the route numbers for the regional routes should appear two zoom levels further out than they currently do; they already occupy a substantial portion of the screen before the numbers currently appear.

Also, where it&#039;s a regional route but the old &quot;route=ncn&quot; hasn&#039;t been removed from the route yet it shows up as if it were national route when it isn&#039;t being explicitly rendered as a regional route. That&#039;s probably a case of me needing to fix the tagging rather than the rendering being altered though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new rendering for the regional routes is looking good. However, some of the regional routes in Kent are fairly lengthy. I think that perhaps they ought to show up one or two zoom levels further out than they currently do. Also, perhaps the route numbers for the regional routes should appear two zoom levels further out than they currently do; they already occupy a substantial portion of the screen before the numbers currently appear.</p>
<p>Also, where it&#8217;s a regional route but the old &#8220;route=ncn&#8221; hasn&#8217;t been removed from the route yet it shows up as if it were national route when it isn&#8217;t being explicitly rendered as a regional route. That&#8217;s probably a case of me needing to fix the tagging rather than the rendering being altered though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2007/07/31/openstreetmap-cycle-map/comment-page-1/#comment-21499</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 22:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that we need 5 different colours for the cycle routes:
* national cycle routes
* regional cycle routes
* local cycle routes
* other cycle routes
* footpaths where bicycles are allowed

I&#039;m specifically making the note between other cycle routes and footpaths, since footpaths are generally narrower than cycle paths, and your more likely to need to go slower due to pedestrians and they are narrower and windier. For the cycle routes, you can denote whether they are on road or off-road through some form of dash or highlight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we need 5 different colours for the cycle routes:<br />
* national cycle routes<br />
* regional cycle routes<br />
* local cycle routes<br />
* other cycle routes<br />
* footpaths where bicycles are allowed</p>
<p>I&#8217;m specifically making the note between other cycle routes and footpaths, since footpaths are generally narrower than cycle paths, and your more likely to need to go slower due to pedestrians and they are narrower and windier. For the cycle routes, you can denote whether they are on road or off-road through some form of dash or highlight.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2007/07/31/openstreetmap-cycle-map/comment-page-1/#comment-21494</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ll be rendered the next time the data is imported - I&#039;ve set up all the rules for it today.

Might have to think about the colour scheme though, since I&#039;ve set up both rcn and lcn to use blue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ll be rendered the next time the data is imported &#8211; I&#8217;ve set up all the rules for it today.</p>
<p>Might have to think about the colour scheme though, since I&#8217;ve set up both rcn and lcn to use blue.</p>
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