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	<title>Comments on: Look ma, no hands!</title>
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	<description>Notes From A Strange Place</description>
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		<title>By: Longwayround</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/05/29/look-ma-no-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-58437</link>
		<dc:creator>Longwayround</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bus routes are rendered at http://öpnvkarte.de/

I&#039;ve no idea how frequently they are updated but I&#039;ve had some success with a few routes in the Preston area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bus routes are rendered at <a href="http://öpnvkarte.de/" rel="nofollow">http://öpnvkarte.de/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no idea how frequently they are updated but I&#8217;ve had some success with a few routes in the Preston area.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/05/29/look-ma-no-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-53086</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bus routes that only follow a particular road in one direction should get forward/backward on the route relation - see e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gravitystorm/2771299743/ and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bus routes that only follow a particular road in one direction should get forward/backward on the route relation &#8211; see e.g. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gravitystorm/2771299743/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/gravitystorm/2771299743/</a> and <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:route</a></p>
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		<title>By: Corriere</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/05/29/look-ma-no-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-52791</link>
		<dc:creator>Corriere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question: Bus routes (and tram routes as well) often have directed loops which means they hav special oneway rules on their own. Afaik there aren&#039;t yet any tagging conventions to tackle that problem. Any ideas, tips, suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question: Bus routes (and tram routes as well) often have directed loops which means they hav special oneway rules on their own. Afaik there aren&#8217;t yet any tagging conventions to tackle that problem. Any ideas, tips, suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Holdsworth</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/05/29/look-ma-no-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-46784</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Holdsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 22:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Has there been any progress lately on an open bus/public transport layer? I&#039;ve been adding bus routes in my area, and I&#039;d quite like a way of viewing them... it&#039;d promote people recording them as well. Is there any move toward doing this?

All the best
Joel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Has there been any progress lately on an open bus/public transport layer? I&#8217;ve been adding bus routes in my area, and I&#8217;d quite like a way of viewing them&#8230; it&#8217;d promote people recording them as well. Is there any move toward doing this?</p>
<p>All the best<br />
Joel</p>
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		<title>By: Eimai</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/05/29/look-ma-no-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-36925</link>
		<dc:creator>Eimai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belgian rules are well described here btw http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Walking_Routes
For the Netherlands there&#039;s a page at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Wandelroutenetwerken (in Dutch) describing the walking node networks. I have the impression those are the only efforts of writing conventions for walking routes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belgian rules are well described here btw <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Walking_Routes" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Walking_Routes</a><br />
For the Netherlands there&#8217;s a page at <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Wandelroutenetwerken" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Wandelroutenetwerken</a> (in Dutch) describing the walking node networks. I have the impression those are the only efforts of writing conventions for walking routes.</p>
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		<title>By: Eimai</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/05/29/look-ma-no-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-36923</link>
		<dc:creator>Eimai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 14:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the Dutch cycle map renders them in the layer &quot;wandelroutes&quot;, see http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/~rubke/fietskaart/index.html?zoom=11&amp;lat=51.19518&amp;lon=4.46029&amp;layers=B0000FTFFFFFTFFFT for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the Dutch cycle map renders them in the layer &#8220;wandelroutes&#8221;, see <a href="http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/~rubke/fietskaart/index.html?zoom=11&amp;lat=51.19518&amp;lon=4.46029&amp;layers=B0000FTFFFFFTFFFT" rel="nofollow">http://tile.openstreetmap.nl/~rubke/fietskaart/index.html?zoom=11&amp;lat=51.19518&amp;lon=4.46029&amp;layers=B0000FTFFFFFTFFFT</a> for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 13:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to be a wide mixture. In Germany there&#039;s lots of use of &quot;hiking&quot;, in London there&#039;s &quot;ldp&quot; (for long distance path) and like you say there&#039;s other stuff in the NL. I think because nothing is rendered or used there&#039;s no standards yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to be a wide mixture. In Germany there&#8217;s lots of use of &#8220;hiking&#8221;, in London there&#8217;s &#8220;ldp&#8221; (for long distance path) and like you say there&#8217;s other stuff in the NL. I think because nothing is rendered or used there&#8217;s no standards yet!</p>
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		<title>By: Eimai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eimai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 12:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are the tags being used for the walking routes in the UK? I found nothing in the wiki about it. In Belgium and the Netherlands we&#039;re tagging as &quot;nwn&quot; for long distance paths crossing the country, &quot;rwn&quot; for the walking node networks (yeah, we really like those node networks :-) ) and &quot;lwn&quot; for the small themed routes (usually loops of 10-15km). Basically to make it just like the cycle nodes because the routes are similar, so it makes sense if you did the same in the UK :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are the tags being used for the walking routes in the UK? I found nothing in the wiki about it. In Belgium and the Netherlands we&#8217;re tagging as &#8220;nwn&#8221; for long distance paths crossing the country, &#8220;rwn&#8221; for the walking node networks (yeah, we really like those node networks <img src='http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) and &#8220;lwn&#8221; for the small themed routes (usually loops of 10-15km). Basically to make it just like the cycle nodes because the routes are similar, so it makes sense if you did the same in the UK <img src='http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chance</title>
		<link>http://www.gravitystorm.co.uk/shine/archives/2008/05/29/look-ma-no-hands/comment-page-1/#comment-36861</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice! I&#039;ve heard you&#039;re looking at displaying multiple routes side by side as well, that will be very interesting for relations like bus routes.

I&#039;ll certainly have a look at adding walking routes to the green map we&#039;re making of Sutton with OSM data &amp; tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice! I&#8217;ve heard you&#8217;re looking at displaying multiple routes side by side as well, that will be very interesting for relations like bus routes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll certainly have a look at adding walking routes to the green map we&#8217;re making of Sutton with OSM data &amp; tools.</p>
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